Who Are You?

[Acolyte]

What is a Human? We get bombarded with a lot of information about genes, yet genes make up a tiny part of the DNA complex. Worse for the idea is that surrounding the DNA is a complex mass of fibres & proteins in a sheath that peels back to expose only needed parts of the DNA helix for replication & protein synthesis. Even more worserer, the new field of epigenetics is telling us DNA is hardly active compared to the systems that modulate & monitor gene expression - some of these systems can turn a gene on or off in minutes.

So we have something like 23,400 genes - the Big Pharma types were severely disappointed when the Human Genome Project found this - they'd been hoping for many more, so they could market genetic 'remedies" (read symptom alleviators) to people on a family or even individual level. Genes make up at most, 3% of the 3 Billion bases in our DNA. the rest has been described as Junk DNA by geneticists.

'Junk' DNA is far from junk; that's just the name given to it by Geneticists who, as their name implies, see genes as the dominant feature of cells & DNA. For them, gene encoding is what it's all about, although epigenetics is starting to make inroads. Even so, they view epigenetics as a modification on top of the importance of genes.

But Junk DNA can be analysed as a language - the same tests fail to get results in the genetic part of DNA. The numbers are large - 3 Billion base pairs, (less about 3% that is genetic) makes for a LOT of words. Add to that the fact there are possibly 29 million genes out there, grouped by Craig Venter into 50,000 major 'families' - there are more 'families' of genes out there than we have genes! And they haven't finished the sampling yet!

'Junk' DNA is far from junk; that's just the name given to it by Geneticists who, as their name implies, see genes as the dominant feature of cells & DNA. For them, gene encoding is what it's all about, although epigenetics is starting to make inroads. Even so, they view epigenetics as a modification on top of the importance of genes.

So what is the 'Junk' about? Nobody as yet knows but there are a growing number of people working on a variety of possibilities. And when you look at a spectrograph of DNA, it literally glows. In other words, those 'New Age' types who have been telling us about DNA Light are actually basing their ideas on something real.

Add in the complex data processing & handling systems we've found throughout the body, with links into & out of cells, & we may just be looking at the most fantastic computer systems ever dreamed of.

Imagine, a parallel processing system, operating at logic levels based on light transmission, with 3 billion data points per unit, with something over 50 TRILLION units, all connected by a multiplexing system capable of duplex IO operations running simultaneously & preferentially orchestrated by the most complex switching gear we've been able to imagine, all operating at the behest of an energy field in simultaneous contact via a hologramatic field that has no known limit.

times 7 BILLION!

Go look in a mirror because the best bet is, THAT'S what we all are.

[Dorman1]

Good post! I remember your position in the "Imagination" post Acolyte; before anything 'becomes' on a World, it must first be imagined ethereally upon a higher World. Sorry, I took liberties in my paraphrazing you. Prometheus (fore-thinking), and his brother, Epimetheus (after-thinking), imply our efforts toward the former, often evokes the latter. The 3 Worlds above us with 33 groups of 330 million devis are in need of another consciousness energy. And only the humanity upon Globe D can be on either side. The 7th I think, is the other side. If each of the twelve Globes of this Planetary Chain has One Host, and merge with the Regent of this Planetary Chain, and this also occurs with each Planetary Chain of this Solar System, I'd say the other side is Globe A. Our Sun we see is only Its Shell, so there is the one we can see, along with 7 others. The UP/DOWN of the Octaves is our connection to the Feminine and Neuter, Suns are the orthogonal beams.

When the 5th World up, finishes translating the 4th to the 6th, we must focus upon a single pain in order to leave Globe D for arrival on the other side. Then return bringing this new consciousness energy with us, out of compassion and sympathy for that which we find joy and respect for... Humanity, animals, plants, and every entity and thing. As usual Acolyte, if you should fail, we disavow any...

I did my best, it wasn't much
I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch
I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you
And even though
It all went wrong
I'll stand before the Lord of Song
With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah.

[Acolyte]

Good post! I remember your position in the "Imagination" post Acolyte; before anything 'becomes' on a World, it must first be imagined ethereally upon a higher World. Sorry, I took liberties in my paraphrazing you. Prometheus (fore-thinking), and his brother, Epimetheus (after-thinking), imply our efforts toward the former, often evokes the latter. The 3 Worlds above us with 33 groups of 330 million devis are in need of another consciousness energy. And only the humanity upon Globe D can be on either side. The 7th I think, is the other side. If each of the twelve Globes of this Planetary Chain has One Host, and merge with the Regent of this Planetary Chain, and this also occurs with each Planetary Chain of this Solar System, I'd say the other side is Globe A. Our Sun we see is only Its Shell, so there is the one we can see, along with 7 others. The UP/DOWN of the Octaves is our connection to the Feminine and Neuter, Suns are the orthogonal beams.

When the 5th World up, finishes translating the 4th to the 6th, we must focus upon a single pain in order to leave Globe D for arrival on the other side. Then return bringing this new consciousness energy with us, out of compassion and sympathy for that which we find joy and respect for... Humanity, animals, plants, and every entity and thing. As usual Acolyte, if you should fail, we disavow any...

I did my best, it wasn't much
I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch
I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you
And even though
It all went wrong
I'll stand before the Lord of Song
With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah.

Perhaps I could get a translation of this? Or maybe an indication of where I might go look for some way to find a connection between this & what I posted?

Is this in the right thread dorman?

[Dorman1]

I would hazard the assumption other people do understand what I write. The only thing you did was use the writings of others to conclude we are 'light'. Oh, and I think fields as well. Light-fields? fields of light? This conclusion does put DNA in a distinct perspective. The assertions concerning the mighty DNA arbitrarily defining Life is out.

I also see where you conclude we are computers, not only that, but light computers!

[Acolyte]

I would hazard the assumption other people do understand what I write. The only thing you did was use the writings of others to conclude we are 'light'. Oh, and I think fields as well. Light-fields? fields of light? This conclusion does put DNA in a distinct perspective. The assertions concerning the mighty DNA arbitrarily defining Life is out.

I also see where you conclude we are computers, not only that, but light computers!

If that is what you see, you may have missed the bit that says -
"all operating at the behest of an energy field in simultaneous contact via a hologramatic field that has no known limit."

The point was more that we are operating the rather fantastic unit that includes all the rest.

I have the feeling you are having a go at me by your statement, "The only thing you did was use the writings of others to conclude we are 'light'." I don't see where you have the need to do that.

And I still don't see the relevance of the post about your beliefs about globes & devis et al towards this thread. It seems about as non sequitur as one can be & I'm left wondering why you would do it.

[Dorman1]

Acolyte wrote;

So what is the 'Junk' about? Nobody as yet knows but there are a growing number of people working on a variety of possibilities. And when you look at a spectrograph of DNA, it literally glows. In other words, those 'New Age' types who have been telling us about DNA Light are actually basing their ideas on something real.

Add in the complex data processing & handling systems we've found throughout the body, with links into & out of cells, & we may just be looking at the most fantastic computer systems ever dreamed of.

Imagine, a parallel processing system, operating at logic levels based on light transmission, with 3 billion data points per unit, with something over 50 TRILLION units, all connected by a multiplexing system capable of duplex IO operations running simultaneously & preferentially orchestrated by the most complex switching gear we've been able to imagine, all operating at the behest of an energy field in simultaneous contact via a hologramatic field that has no known limit.

OK, so the '3 billion data points per unit' refer to each human? how does the 50 TRILLION units fit into this? I can't see a correlation there. Do you have any sort of hierarchical break-down? where does a 3 billion data points per unit (3bdppu) go when it dies? does a 3bdppu reincarnate? does it gradually become more than a 3bdppu as it lives many reimbodiments, imagining, aspiring, evolving? does the 3bdppu become a 30bdppu, then a 60bdppu... striving to be a 50tbdppu which is the Acme of Perfection, and thus always aspired after but never quite reaching this pinnacle of perfection, hence, the reason humanity is considered eternal? No, I'm not having a go at you, I simply enjoy incorporating the knowledge I tool around with, through the study of Theosophy. If you don't understand even the basics of Theosophy, I suppose I will often seem non-sequitor. I'm OK with that. I study all the religions, philosophies, and science, because I don't want the pearls thrown at me to simply be crushed under my feet. There is also something said along the lines, those who have will receive more, those who don't receive nothing. This latter refers to possessing keys for interpretation. I try to know a little of everything, in order to comprehend those who know much within one field.

[Acolyte]

There are 3 billion 'data points' ie. 3 billion bases in our DNA. Approximately 3% is used by all the genes. There are about 50 trillion cells in the body, each of which has 3 billion data points. The hierarchy is bases, cells, bodies, brains, minds, beings. Of those, I would guess only the Being reincarnates. If one makes it high enough in an octave then maybe Mind may travel on with Being.

Note this is all in the first post except for the last bit about reincarnation. If you take what I say & translate it into your theosophy it is understandable that it will not be understandable.

[Dorman1]

There are 3 billion 'data points' ie. 3 billion bases in our DNA. Approximately 3% is used by all the genes. There are about 50 trillion cells in the body, each of which has 3 billion data points. The hierarchy is bases, cells, bodies, brains, minds, beings. Of those, I would guess only the Being reincarnates. If one makes it high enough in an octave then maybe Mind may travel on with Being.

Note this is all in the first post except for the last bit about reincarnation. If you take what I say & translate it into your theosophy it is understandable that it will not be understandable.

Alright, but when these 3 billion bases are mentioned, I'm trying to remember a thing; is a codon a term used to describe 3 base pairs. I'm afraid I'm not remembering correctly. But if so, then a codon is more relavent than simply a focus upon base pairs. I'm uncertain concerning the accuracy of this.

Now that you helped make it more understandable to me, i.e., the relationship between these new revelations, illustrating information processing going beyond all previous understandings, concerning only a brain and nervous system, and including 50 trillion cells of the human body. Furthermore, the addition to this, a concept pertaining to holograms and fields, I must admit this is a very interesting topic started. Good work.

I am up early getting ready to leave for work, and I'm thinking if I had more time presently, it would be fun to attempt further insights into your excellant thread. Thanks Acolyte,

D.

[Acolyte]

I've been doing some more thinking on it all...

I mentioned this topic on another forum I frequent and a guy jumped in to tell us how epigenetics was like the movie Altered States, that we would be bale to use it to grow gills, or wings – so that brought these thoughts...

I very much doubt that epigenetics is going to have us growing gills at any time in the near future. Epigenetics is not some magical replacement for DNA and genes, but rather a part of the functional control system within which the patterns, abilities and functions of the life form are accessed or altered.

I have the feeling that some would like to simply take the DNA/Gene model and replace it holus-bolus with the epigenetic one. While that may make such more comfortable, that just leaves them sitting in the same old paradigm with a new set of terms to bandy about. Paradigms shifts are never comfortable and especially so for those locked into an idea that we pretty much know what the universe is about and just have to dot a few i's and move a decimal point or two.

Epigenetics is not the answer to who and what we are. Epigenetics will not lead to the creation of supermen or aquatic humans or probably even open the doors to a scenario like that in Altered States. Epigenetics is more like the file system that allows you to work out where all the data in any specific book is.

Prior to epigenetics, the geneticists knew where the library was and were confident they had all the books to explain how the library came into being. Then they found there were too few books to work that out. Suddenly, there was epigenetics, a subject they'd been deriding and claiming was akin to witchcraft - now however it gave them a non-static genome and that meant they could relax back into their comfortable niche again, confident their nice physical world was all good again.

Trouble is, their view doesn't answer any of the basic questions, nor does it open the path to new knowledge. The fact is, epigenetics from a geneticist’s PoV simply regresses the questions one step further back. To start to answer those questions we need to discard the geneticist’s model and find a new one.

And in the new model, epigenetics, while still a brand new way to do the genomic stuff, is simply an activator, not a decider nor even an originator. There is still no God gene or God Cell, capable of making decisions, of choosing among courses of action and initiating change.

Most people's view of things is that of the guy standing in his lounge room, imagining what it must be like to be out exploring the woods. To understand what the experience is like, he must abandon the known comforts and branch out into the wilds, unsure of what is there but willing to leave behind the old in the hope of finding the new.

We have this marvellous functional machine at our disposal. To use it we need to recognise what the components are, and to decide that of all the parts, the important one is the switch on the wall instead of the being imagines the act and then who decides to move the arm that reaches out and flips the switch seems a little myopic.

We have a computer that has 50 terabytes of units each of which is 3 gigabytes, accesible at will, and able to process simultaneously both input and output with limitless storage in holographic space for both relevant data, a world picture and processing, along with a changeable computer and switching network that outperforms anything on Earth - it seems to me we might find something a little more significant for all this miraculous system than growing gills.

The system seems almost incredibly capable, with huge reserves of capacity and potential. But at depth, all is nothing, with even basic particles and energy falling away to strings which are sometimes simply not there. So we could look at ourselves and see a Being/Field attached to a system of incredible capacity that can be described as information.

So it opens up issues of perhaps teleportation, or maybe immortality - could we perhaps store a person on a substrate, and at a later date bring them back? What kind of capacity would such a system require?

As far as capacity goes, it would depend on the system used I guess. Hologrammatic memory or storage would vastly change the capacity requirements, although the data encapsulation might be a bitch to work out *grins* Nature seems to have done it pretty well, but I'm not sure digital technology will cut it; we may need quantum computers for it.

I think my opinion (backed by very little) is that Consciousness is a basic. I doubt we can copy it but we may be able to duplicate the rest. At base everything is nothing, just collapsed probability, but at anything higher it seems to be made up of strings, which, depending on configuration (*grins* And which theory you pick) can be either energy or particles. That implies to me that perhaps everything except Consciousness can be described as Information.

I recall seeing some works about how many bits it takes to describe basic particles, and they've even worked on how many of them are local and non-local. The theory was, if you can alter the bits of particles, you can at first level, convince particles around it that it is how you want them to 'see' it, then at the next level, you can convince the particle itself.

So once we have the storage worked out, some interesting questions come up. See, if we are just Being/Fields attached to information, what happens if we duplicate exactly that information on a different medium? Would the Being/Field 'own' that as well? Might we wind up with a Being/Field that is aware in two places simultaneously? Might the Being/Field fission and create two of itself? Would, as in the slit experiments, the result depend on what was expected as a result?

I wonder what life would be like in the Hologram memory chip? Would we be able to tell the difference between that and what we are in now?

[Dorman1]

I think the thoughts you explored are similar to the aim toward which supremo was speaking, when suggesting this site become an institute. If you remember supremo, he posted here briefly. It seems he wanted to perform certain activities he observed guru's performing, only he wanted to do this with computer controlled devices.

I looked at epigenetics only breifly, it appeared to be focused upon optimal results through selective human coupling. However, I believe there was a lot more to it than merely some dream about breeding super-beings. I simply didn't look long enough at it. I also realized the term applied to two separate area's of scientific focus as well. I need to look more upon it. I've read some of Robert Sepolsky's work, and I'm unsure, but I think he helps in understanding this.

What is interesting seems to be your timing, I watched a bit on the History Channel concerning this. The topic of Star Treks transporter beam was approached. Two items that caught my attention, related to buildings the size of the Empire State Building, being required to store the information for only one human; also Heisenbergs theory made it problematic as well, to say the least. We must be able to see a particles location and momentum simultaneously.

It has been presented to me concerning force/substance (Life), that all the knowledge or information of the Universe is contained within one atom. It is simply latent. I suspect one atom is responsible or the source for the Rays which project the holograms which arise, and do this on multi-levels, until you see the individual known to you so well. This is the comparison I make between expressible at one end, and latent at the other. Therefore, you are a god, as you are a "higher thus closer to source" which subsumes these more latent expressions of life, known as the cells which make up the human body. Each cell, given life, is also allowed the opportunity to evolve.

When you exhale a breath, the thoughts within you are an affecting aspect of this exhaled breath, and atoms within this expiration, which is added to the atmosphere, and breathed in by another individual.

[DocPtah]

Acolyte said:

Epigenetics is not the answer to who and what we are. Epigenetics will not lead to the creation of supermen or aquatic humans or probably even open the doors to a scenario like that in Altered States.

Why not?

Perhaps it's the semantics, i.e., how one defines the word, "epigenetics". But if the "junk DNA" constitutes 97% of the DNA... how did it evolve if it was not good for something? Why have "junk DNA" unless somewhere there is a switch that can activate other possibilities... with said other possibilities being really pretty wizard/witchcraft stuff? You may be right, of course, but isn't the idea of extraordinary possibilities a bit more tantalizing?

One might assume that a goodly portion of the "junk DNA" may be acting as a transceiver with other parts of the universe. Inasmuch as we are "fantastic computer systems", and "all operating at the behest of an energy field in simultaneous contact via a hologramatic field that has no known limit," there probably needs to be something that connects our physical, bodily processes with all of that other stuff.

Thus the "Who are we?" question becomes: "Who is the universe? AND, what portion are we?"

Acolyte also said (many days ago):

Junk DNA can be analysed as a language.

Possibly, but can Junk DNA also be analyzed as a geometry?

[Angel]

Imagine, a parallel processing system, operating at logic levels based on light transmission, with 3 billion data points per unit, with something over 50 TRILLION units, all connected by a multiplexing system capable of duplex IO operations running simultaneously & preferentially orchestrated by the most complex switching gear we've been able to imagine, all operating at the behest of an energy field in simultaneous contact via a hologramatic field that has no known limit.

We really are something quite special, amazingly so... I agree!

When you exhale a breath, the thoughts within you are an affecting aspect of this exhaled breath, and atoms within this expiration, which is added to the atmosphere, and breathed in by another individual.

Dorman, that was both beautiful and profound. To me it gave a slight tug on the veil that covers my being in darkness. Thank you . Sometimes it takes hearing it in a unique way for others to get it. I have been on the fringe of understanding the significance our very breath has to do in all this for sometime. Perhaps there is more to the significance, but for now this is quite enough to keep me in weeks of reflection and and then forgiveness for my big mouth. hehe Ughh... I feel like I came on a big adventure and forgot the map and guide book at home. Seems like I should know that my words and breath might come back to bite me or others before I opted in to coming. Surprise! Well, I guess I will be much more careful with that mouth from this point forward. Just in the more aggressive, negative energy , because I sure would not want my aggression or momentary angst to cause another any ill will or negative transgression. The very thought is cumbersome. I know words can be harmful and deeply, but this adds an entire new gigantic realm to it.

One might assume that a goodly portion of the "junk DNA" may be acting as a transceiver with other parts of the universe.

Interesting, however, it seems to me that the dna strand , junk or otherwise, is more closely related to an organic key coded card or perhaps the ticket to ride. The dna is more than receiver or transceiver it is the entire program that links us to the mainframe. It is living though, hense the organic. But just like the bubble tests you filled out in grade school every year, our programmed dots are pre filled in and then read by the lock that opens the door or drops the veil over our faces, depending upon the dimension or quadrant of the holographic program we choose to enter. Simple and not very brilliantly conceptulized, but I think you get my thoughts here.

As far as junk dna, which to this laymen means "unused" or currently dormant, it seems logical to me that our key cards come with complete and all possibility already available for us to activate. Perhaps we turn on and off bits or portions throughout the various stages or sub programs ran in life. You know when those light bulbs go on , we have probably fired up one junk dna segment. Could be. I highly suspect that the dna contains all the potentials for the full journey through all the dimensions. We are after all spiritual primarily, because our bodies will change greatly throughout the various dimensions, falling away entirely at some point. Therefore it seems logical also that our spiritual portion, the unknown, is indeed where our focus would be best served. The task is daunting really when you consider that to know our spiritual self requires introspection and then outward comprehension of all things physical, each holding a polarity and charge, all while we stumble around with a veil over our faces inside a living machine of infinite intelligence and possibilities. NO WONDER we have all those hook ups that Acolyte so appropriately pointed out. We have everything we need in our one dna key coded card.

What I think is very cool about that card is that we are not always in a density that is constrained to time/space. We are very probably in multiple dimensional realms at the same time, because some of them do not and can not be confined within time/space. We do have access to the collective personal experiences and knowledge of all our past and future lives, through our higher self which in this thread we could imagine to be the pci slot or the lock to the door in each dimension. In a more accurate example it would need to be more in line with a port , one capable of bidirectional transfer of data and command execution and storage capacity as well.

When we have become ready or able to dance far enough along the optical light beam , we will then become hooked up , or turned on through that "junk dna" , where we will instantly have access to the collective experiences of all of us, the social memory complex, moving and thinking as one. When you think about that , we have it easy now, can you imagine trying to get everyone of us perfected enough to ascend a level, geez? I think I will make me a drink on that thought. lol I'm thinking I am going to step up my program a bit, because the faster I can get there , the less people will be in my social memory complex to hold me back. lol I can't imagine it , can you? Just kidding actually, because truly it is my chosen path to serve you and others. It is what delights my soul. Go figure.

[Acolyte]

Acolyte said:

Epigenetics is not the answer to who and what we are. Epigenetics will not lead to the creation of supermen or aquatic humans or probably even open the doors to a scenario like that in Altered States.

Why not?

Perhaps it's the semantics, i.e., how one defines the word, "epigenetics". But if the "junk DNA" constitutes 97% of the DNA... how did it evolve if it was not good for something? Why have "junk DNA" unless somewhere there is a switch that can activate other possibilities... with said other possibilities being really pretty wizard/witchcraft stuff? You may be right, of course, but isn't the idea of extraordinary possibilities a bit more tantalizing?

One might assume that a goodly portion of the "junk DNA" may be acting as a transceiver with other parts of the universe. Inasmuch as we are "fantastic computer systems", and "all operating at the behest of an energy field in simultaneous contact via a hologramatic field that has no known limit," there probably needs to be something that connects our physical, bodily processes with all of that other stuff.

Thus the "Who are we?" question becomes: "Who is the universe? AND, what portion are we?"

Acolyte also said (many days ago):

Junk DNA can be analysed as a language.

Possibly, but can Junk DNA also be analyzed as a geometry?

Why should we assume the 'Junk' DNA evolved? While I am not a religious person, I find the 'random mutation' PoV to be lacking in ability to convince. If DNA is as complex as it seems, and if the Human Beingness is as incredibly formed as we are finding, why would we assume any part of it might be either waste or randomly collected? How would 'Junk' DNA come about & even if it could, how could it be so formed as to be analysable by language tools?

We're looking at a body that is 3 parts physical wonder, 3 parts energy complexity & at least one part spiritual miracle. My guess would be the 'Junk' DNA is a part of the package, whether as processing system, storage or even as something for which we have, as yet, no explanation.

[DocPtah]

Angel said:

We are very probably in multiple dimensional realms at the same time, because some of them do not and can not be confined within time/space.

I assume that these multiple dimensional realms you're describing would include dimensions beyond the four-dimensional space-time continuum that mainstream physics acknowledges. The idea that we might have bits of those extra-d-realms slopping over into ours (creating stranger and ever more astounding experiences)... does make for some very interesting possibilities! Wow!

Of course, Angel might also be suggesting that many of the multiple dimensional realms are derived from other people's universes, and the intermingling between our created realities and the realities of everyone else is where a lot of the action is going to reside.

Angel also said:

I'm thinking I am going to step up my program a bit, because the faster I can get there , the less people will be in my social memory complex to hold me back. lol I can't imagine it , can you? Just kidding actually, because truly it is my chosen path to serve you and others. It is what delights my soul. Go figure.

Maybe it's the Unifying Theory of Leap Frogging. While they're are mudders who tend to dwell in the ruts (i.e., graves with the ends kicked out), there are also the fellow travelers... and there's nothing like accelerating one's progress by positive interactions with others of similar, but different, mind. Besides, anything "delighting your soul" is bound to be a good thing... especially in the long term, or for most if not all of the Great Journey.