2012 precessions

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Re: 2012 precessions

Postby Acolyte on Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:24 pm

Carbon dating is only useful up to about 50Ky, unless you don't find a fairly wide range of error. They have refined the method down but you're still talking an error at 50Ky of maybe 5%. Going back much further than that can be indicative but may not be meaningful.

It is also useful only for organic matter - anything to doesn't partake of the intake of carbon based food or air can't be measured by carbon dating. So anytime you here someone saying anything about stone being carbon dated they are full of it.

Carbon dating also works by comparing the %'age C14 to C12 - the C14 decays over time at a supposedly constant rate, but even assuming it does so, there is still the problem of whether or not the background levels of radiation have remained constant within the measuring period - this is purely an assumption & many pieces of evidence suggest it just isn't true.

There are other methods though, for dating rocks & strata, but mainly, strata are determined by comparison with (say) artefacts found in other areas for a similar level, or electorfluoresis (think that's the word) or measuring longer lived half-lives (say of Uranium) Another method is to use patina - a freshly scoured rock may appear undateable, but a patina grows slowly on it & can, in some circumstances, give an indication of age. The Ica stones from South America, for example, show carvings with patina in the grooves suggesting absolutely no forgery & an age of maybe 20,000 years.

So... what's the monkey wrench? :D
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Re: 2012 precessions

Postby Dorman1 on Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:31 pm

Acolyte wrote:Carbon dating is only useful up to about 50Ky, unless you don't mind a fairly wide range of error. They have refined the method down but you're still talking an error at 50Ky of maybe 5%. Going back much further than that can be indicative but may not be meaningful.

This 50Ky is still a reference point, so it does have basis for earlier dates. I have seen mention made hinting humanity existed (antecedent form of humanity, but in that age nonetheless) during the age of dinosaurs. This however, leads toward the topic of "Rounds" which you and many others ignore.


It is also useful only for organic matter - anything to doesn't partake of the intake of carbon based food or air can't be measured by carbon dating. So anytime you here someone saying anything about stone being carbon dated they are full of it.

Are you certain? there is no carbon in the mineral realm, or terra firma?


Carbon dating also works by comparing the %'age C14 to C12 - the C14 decays over time at a supposedly constant rate, but even assuming it does so, there is still the problem of whether or not the background levels of radiation have remained constant within the measuring period - this is purely an assumption & many pieces of evidence suggest it just isn't true.

This as well goes toward the topic of "Rounds" and the manner in which "One" human arrives as the "Lifestream" upon a Globe. I will not go on about that, too lengthy, and 'most think' it is b_ _ _sh_ _ anyway. I will only en bref state, 'ethereal' forms evolving toward 'density' have no processes of decay, as in the radioactive halflife of known heavy Isotopes. If any processes of emissions are manifest, it is only those activities of irradiation occurring upon the fusion of elements coming together. In fact, we are now ascending and will gradually have other heavy metals beginning to possess Uranium 237 type of properties.


There are other methods though, for dating rocks & strata, but mainly, strata are determined by comparison with (say) artefacts found in other areas for a similar level, or electorfluoresis (think that's the word) or measuring longer lived half-lives (say of Uranium) Another method is to use patina - a freshly scoured rock may appear undateable, but a patina grows slowly on it & can, in some circumstances, give an indication of age. The Ica stones from South America, for example, show carvings with patina in the grooves suggesting absolutely no forgery & an age of maybe 20,000 years.

So... what's the monkey wrench? :D


I didn't want to say, because I was going to insist your last post, the one I'm inserting my words to now, should be focused upon some more. I did it unintentionally in the previous to this quote. I think I will go on more about dinosaurs and humans (human life streams)both of them)). Unless this part of my study is comprehensively-challenged, dinosaurs belonged to a "Round" prior to ours. I think this would mean they are ahead of us, and this alone is topically vast. Another point, when we archeologically and paleontologically expound brilliantly upon our findings, it is a possible source of vast confusion, as in the instance of placing the antecedents of humanity alongside the existence of dinosaurs. Among other combinings we make.

This also reminds me of many movies which hint of this. I also remember listening to Coast2Coast with George Noory, who took over for Art Bell. Bipedal reptilians being the topic on one of his shows, being cited by many witnesses to them.
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Re: 2012 precessions

Postby Acolyte on Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:06 am

Dorman1 wrote:This 50Ky is still a reference point, so it does have basis for earlier dates. I have seen mention made hinting humanity existed (antecedent form of humanity, but in that age nonetheless) during the age of dinosaurs. This however, leads toward the topic of "Rounds" which you and many others ignore.

You've hinted at this before, with references (I think) to root races. I don't ignore it, I just have nothing on which to form an opinion of it. There are some interesting data-bits out there about human & dino footprints, and the ubiquity of dragon myths, but I have no way of placing them into any kind of context.

I can look at relics & monuments around the globe & clearly see there were prior civilisations to this current climb, & I can read about the 'Gods' of pre-Flood times, both in the Middle East & India, & wonder about those of the orient, but I have nothing from days of prehistory that talks to the reptile society or the dinosaur one.

My impression is more that there are cycles but they have been those of the Gaia-Mind trying to bring about an aware species, slowly building the skills & resources needed so Gaia Herself might wake into 3D Intelligence or Awareness.

Dorman1 wrote:Are you certain? there is no carbon in the mineral realm, or terra firma?
There's carbon in lots of things, but to be useful for carbon dating it must have been ingested over a period & then the ingestion stops - otherwise there is no dating possibility. It is measuring the ratios that gives us the dates.

Dorman1 wrote:This as well goes toward the topic of "Rounds" and the manner in which "One" human arrives as the "Lifestream" upon a Globe. I will not go on about that, too lengthy, and 'most think' it is b_ _ _sh_ _ anyway. I will only en bref state, 'ethereal' forms evolving toward 'density' have no processes of decay, as in the radioactive halflife of known heavy Isotopes. If any processes of emissions are manifest, it is only those activities of irradiation occurring upon the fusion of elements coming together. In fact, we are now ascending and will gradually have other heavy metals beginning to possess Uranium 237 type of properties.


We already have a few heavier than U238 - it's an interesting area because it is hypothesised there are some stable ones up in the higher numbers. But is bigger, heavier elements really what it's about? It seems to me that might be going the wrong way - more solidity appears to be something we can have without trying.

It seems to me that the sages, seers, gurus & masters have all trended to Lightness of Beingness, not delved into the solidity of matter.
Acolyte wrote:So... what's the monkey wrench? :D

Dorman1 wrote:I didn't want to say, because I was going to insist your last post, the one I'm inserting my words to now, should be focused upon some more. I did it unintentionally in the previous to this quote. I think I will go on more about dinosaurs and humans (human life streams)both of them)). Unless this part of my study is comprehensively-challenged, dinosaurs belonged to a "Round" prior to ours. I think this would mean they are ahead of us, and this alone is topically vast. Another point, when we archeologically and paleontologically expound brilliantly upon our findings, it is a possible source of vast confusion, as in the instance of placing the antecedents of humanity alongside the existence of dinosaurs. Among other combinings we make.

This also reminds me of many movies which hint of this. I also remember listening to Coast2Coast with George Noory, who took over for Art Bell. Bipedal reptilians being the topic on one of his shows, being cited by many witnesses to them.
Wouldn't dinosaurs being in the Round ahead of us perhaps imply a lesser finesse with any number of things? The stories about the reptilians doesn't seem to gibe with them being 'ahead' of us in an Ascension manner. There is zilch evidence of a dino-society leaving an over-all impression of beings involved in mass as a primary concept.

Mind you there's also the Serpent in the Garden & stories of wise dragons - are you suggesting these are echoes from a distant past? There are some who think perhaps dinosaurs lived on long past their supposed time of extinction, into relatively modern times, perhaps finally driven extinct when the Ice Age brought them to much into the realm of humans. Do you refer to something along these lines?
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Re: 2012 precessions

Postby Dorman1 on Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:37 pm

OK, this is from decades ago, and terms have changed since. The reason for this chart being placed where it is, at a certain point in my study, had me hung up. Even as it now seems plainly clear. I didn't give much thought before writing you this reply. I think it is possibly helpful toward a different perspective of an interesting nature.

"...The following interesting tabulation of the processes by which uranium finally results in lead of its own type or kind, is taken from Dampier-Whetham's A History of Science: (349)

name -- atomic number -- atomic weight -- radioactivity (350)

Uranium I -- 92 -- 238 -- α
Uranium X1 -- 90 -- 234 -- β, γ
Uranium X2 -- 91 -- 234 -- β, γ
Uranium II -- 92 -- 234 -- α
Ionium -- 90 -- 230 -- α
Radium -- 88 -- 226 -- α
Radium Emanation -- 86 -- 222 -- α
Radium A -- 84 -- 218 -- α
Radium B -- 82 -- 214 -- β, γ
Radium C -- 83 -- 214 -- α, β, γ
Radium D -- 82 -- 210 -- β, γ
Radium E -- 83 -- 210 -- β, γ
Radium F (Polonium) -- 84 -- 210 -- α
Lead -- 82 -- 206

It is to be noted that the atomic weight of this uranium-lead is given as 206; the atomic weight of ordinary lead is 207; and the final product or end of the similar thorium-series is lead also, but its atomic weight Soddy has found to be 208. All these three kinds of lead possess identical chemical properties and by ordinary processes of analysis are indistinguishable; and yet they possess the distinct difference that they vary in weight.

Now this illustration, taken from the wonderful studies of modern chemical researchers, may perhaps give us by picture some inkling of what takes place in the so-called 'dead' human body. It is decaying; it is as full of life as ever it was -- in fact, more full of diffuse life, because now that the overlordship of the dominating influence has been withdrawn, every infinitesimal part of it is seeking its freedom as an individual, and the result is bodily anarchy or death, so called."
The point being made through the above illustration is a comparison to indicate the process of decay in the human body, at death, is brought about because our higher parts have departed. The life within our bodies, all the various atomic, and molecular structure groupings are free, no longer subsumed by our Higher Mind, Spiritual Soul, and Divine Atma.

Uranium I or Uranium 238, whatever big brains call it, is "dead" and it turns to lead. When we utilize heavy metals or any substance irradiating as a natural process of decay, perhaps this might be our toying with the UNDERVERSE.
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Re: 2012 precessions

Postby Acolyte on Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:44 am

See, I thought you were going to go a different direction... I had the feeling you were going to combine the One Human with the U238 metaphor to show how original Beingness came to Earth & slowly 'radiated' to become the myriad flames of Beingness that now inhabit the Earth.

Instead you made analogy that seems mostly physical, explaining what happens to the vehicle once the driver leaves it...
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Re: 2012 precessions

Postby Dorman1 on Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:20 am

Acolyte wrote:See, I thought you were going to go a different direction... I had the feeling you were going to combine the One Human with the U238 metaphor to show how original Beingness came to Earth & slowly 'radiated' to become the myriad flames of Beingness that now inhabit the Earth.

Instead you made analogy that seems mostly physical, explaining what happens to the vehicle once the driver leaves it...


"...This has already been stated in a previous chapter with reference to the minor subject of radio-activity. We, which is equivalent to saying our planet, have already passed the lowest or grossest stage of physical matter; and our lowest or grossest physical elements are therefore the first to feel the results of the upward rise towards etherealization, and therefore these heaviest or grossest or lowest elements are at present in the beginnings of the process of internal decay, expressing itself as spontaneous radio-activity. They are breaking up into finer or less heavy elements, more ethereal ones, giving birth to elements lighter than they themselves are. This process of radio-activity will be far more widely prevalent in physical nature in the future than now it is, and its manifestations will increase in ever-expanding ratio as time goes on.

So, when we say 'dead men,' following the lines of this thinking, we are but using words that have no further meaning than what has just been outlined, and we hunt in vain for something corresponding to the popular idea of 'death.' We hunt in vain for any evidence anywhere that is positively believable that there are 'dead men' -- i. e., men existing in the astral realms who are 'dead' and yet nevertheless alive! (351)"
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I suspect the above simply indicates death per se, is a perceived illusion. Death exists only within our very limited imaginings. Processes or activities of imaginings based upon our level being utilized for this activity of imagining.
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"The ancients in all ages and in all countries, who knew themselves to be the heirs of former widespread promulgations of some of the more or less secret teachings of the Esoteric Tradition, knew very well -- at least the more educated and certainly the Initiates among them -- a very great deal about the nature of man's constitution, and the nature of his physical body, of the Astral World, of the attributes and powers of the Anima Mundi; and hence they left enshrined in the various literatures to which the different ages have given birth, a great many illuminating hints as to all these matters just named, although always expressed more or less under the veils, thick or thin, of allegory and ambiguous statement. Such allegory was for the multitude; the initiates and adepts knew the truth.

Even the Romans, among other European peoples, possessed no small amount of information about all these matters, although it is readily admitted that in the degenerate times in which the Roman Empire flourished, such knowledge was diffuse, scattered, and probably known only in consecutive and accurate form by those who had been duly and properly initiated in the Ancient Mysteries. The Roman writers of the different ages, in their various allusions to such matters as the so-called problem of death or the peregrinations of Monads and life-atoms -- to which last of course they gave other names -- spoke of the Astral Realms as the Underworld or as Orcus, or used the Greek term Hades. Furthermore, a careful study of these old writers enables us to draw some fairly accurate outline of their understanding of the human constitution, which with proper changes will apply likewise to the constitution of our Earth-globe, and which may therefore be cast into columnar form as given hereunder: (352)

1. Spiritus ------------------Atman
2.} Mens -------------------Buddhi-manas
3.} Animus -----------------Kama-manas
4.}
5. Anima --------------------Prana-manas
6. Simulacrum or Imago----Linga-sarira
7. Corpus--------------------Sthula-sarira

In similar fashion we may cast into columnar form as given hereunder scraps of information drawn from Greek writers as to their understanding of the human constitution and its characteristics as commonly accepted among educated men and philosophical schools in Hellas.

1. Pneuma ------------------ Atman
2. Nous --------------------- Buddhi-manas
3. Phren -------------------- Higher Manas
4. Thumos ------------------ Kama-manas
5. Bios ---------------------- Prana
6. Phantasma or Phasma - Linga-sarira
7. Soma --------------------- Sthula-sarira

As concerns the analogical application of the above hierarchical or graded list to the Earth-globe itself, pretty much all that the reader or student need do is to substitute the term Paramatman or Supreme Atman as first or (1) in the list; to put Alaya-Swabhavat or Cosmic Maha-buddhi as second in the list; to put Mahat as (3); to put Manasaputric Hierarchies as (4); likewise to substitute the generalizing Sanskrit term Jiva or Cosmic Jiva for Prana; to change Linga-sarira to Astral World; and to put Earth as the Seventh or last:

1. Paramatman
2. Alaya-Swabhavat or Cosmic Maha-buddhi
3. Mahat
4. Manasaputric Hierarchies
5. Cosmic Jiva
6. Astral World
7. Earth

The term Anima Mundi, so often used in philosophical and mystical Latin writings, is properly to be conceived of as descriptive of the spiritual-intelligent background or Essence of Nature, and therefore would run through the seven items on the list as being the inspiring Cosmical Intelligence and Life as well as Substance. It is likewise to be noted that the terms Animus and Anima given in the above Latin list are to be understood respectively as described by the Latin grammarian, Nonius Marcellus, in the following words: Animus est, quo sapimus, anima qua vivimus (353) -- that is to say, "animus is the faculty by which we know; anima that by which we live." Thus animus is equivalent to Mind or the Lower Manas, whereas anima is equivalent to the vital power or the Prana.

With respect to the nature of the Underworld, variously called by the Greek and Roman ancients, Hades, Orcus, the 'Realm of the Shades' or in short and very commonly the 'Underworld,' it is carefully and truthfully described as regards its nature and characteristics as being in large part beneath the earth, which in fact is where the lower portions or regions of the Kama-loka are, although the Kama-loka likewise extends to a certain extent upwards into the earth's atmosphere, and in its highest parts reaches the moon. The Underworld is also described at various times as being a drear and lonely place, without the benefit of glorious sunlight, still, mournful, and 'marshy,' but having its own feeble luminosity or rather luminescence in which the shades or umbrae or the 'dead' flit, flutter, and float about irresolutely and without apparent design; and these shades or umbrae, which are the kama-rupas or cast-off shells, from which the former inspiriting Monads have fled, are described as wan and pallid beings or entities, gibbering and twittering in the same irresolute and somewhat senseless manner -- all of which quite accurately and clearly describes, as far as it goes, just what these kama-rupic phantoms, spooks or shades, really are.

It is to be remembered that the Underworld, in all its different grades or phases, is what in the Esoteric Philosophy or Tradition is called a 'World of Effects,' just as our earth-life is in a 'World of Causes.' In other words, again, the Underworld is a transition-series of matters and conditions, intermediate between earth-life and, so far as human beings are concerned, the Devachan, which is itself a state and really a 'World of Effects' also, but of a quite different type."
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Now, I'm making myself late for work, so I will simply say irradiated energies given off in the form of decay, concist of ascending life. When descending it is entering into death, this last statement in regard to death, is my using the word death only as a relative term as a symbol for comparison. Even the end result of U238; Lead, is considered exalted to an Octave below us. This last however, is almost never a topic I give thought to.
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Re: 2012 precessions

Postby ozziegem on Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:26 am

This Is my way of hoping all this propergating of Agendas and vested interests will cease ....unless we all would prefer to go OFF and PLAy
Keno On line for Free.
.....Another letter from another Fiend . :lol:

the if you look further into it. Earth is not only going to be changing on its axis, but our position on a galactic scale will be changing. That is we, earth, will no longer be at the top of the pizza pie of our solar system but the lower end of it. At the same time we do this we will be having some of the most severe sun bursts of our time. Now, some think and which is what I have mentioned to you that this galactic and planetary alignment will provide the Gate of God to open...in other words in Biblical text and Native American they mention a star coming into sight. This star is considered to be a sign mentioned by Jesus to be a coming of the Apocalypse. The Gate of God opening. Now, if Gate of Man is open at the same time. and by this I think it means on a conscious level many people will be saved, if not many people will forever be thrown into the eternal fire. Now give what you have mentioned of the Ra text and what I have read of the Bible and other text they all mention a Harvest, a saving of people that are able to be saved. In other words, those that 'hear' the calling. What if this virus inhibits the experience of the calling. Or is aimed to do so in that many sheep will forever be lost...this eternal fire is the burning of the sun as the solar wave flares. Our planet will not be annihilated...because we will be shifting in galactic position. However, people will still die. We can not survive but Earth can. Not even if we hide thousands of feet into the earth crust and here is why. The cooling of the planet after the heating of the planet will cause a type of dying off. It is how in medical field we kill cancer that is superficial on the tissue. We freeze, dry, freeze dry freeze dry. This causes the cells to die. You get the gist...earth will heat, then cool as the position changes. Then the middle of the earth will begin to heat to a high point as the top portion will be too cool for it to release its heat. Eventually there will be an eruption of the heat due to the center becoming too hot and storing too much heat. This same event happen million of years ago. It is believe how earth evolved...as the heat erupts through the freeze (which will have stored oxygen that was emitted from the sun burst and that was already present) So massive amounts of oxygen will be freed from the ice, water, and heat. Now, who and what and why is trying to prevent people from 'hearing' the calling to be saved?

OOPs may be on the wrong thread or maybe NOt.
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Re: 2012 precessions

Postby ozziegem on Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:48 pm

In light of Heat Waves occuring in Australia and other weather phenomena it is worth repeating ..
a letter from a friend .....WO men. A men

THE PRECESSION OF THE EQUINOXES

The phenomenon we call "precession" was discovered by Greek
astronomer Eratosthenes when he compared his own circa 200 BC records with
older charts. What he saw was that the equinoxes in his day (where the sun's
path crosses the celestial equator) were in a different position among the
stars than the 150-year-old comparison charts showed. This is due to a
gyroscopic wobble of earth's spin axis that takes 26,000 years to complete. In
this wobble motion, the tilt of the earth stays roughly constant at 23.4
degrees but the orientation is always changing.

Consequences of precession:

The north star Polaris is
drifting. It is only "north star" by coincidence today. Vega
will be our north star for a time in the distant future.

http://www.jgiesen.de/astro/argelander/SkyApplet/There is a difference between
a sidereal (real) year and a tropical (by the sun) year because during the
course of one year the position of the equinox changes slightly.

The physical cause of the precession is a torque (twisting) of the earth,
caused mostly by the sun's and the moon's gravity pulling on the equatorial
bulges of the earth. If earth were NOT spinning, the sun and moon would pull
the earth so that the bulges were flat in the sun-earth orbital plane.

The planets have some gravitational influence also, but insignificant
compared to the sun and moon. Still, the planets manage to cause the orbit of
earth about the sun to precess, with a period of 71000 years. They also cause
an oscillation in the ellipticity of earth's orbit.

Taken in conjunction with the 26,000-year spin-axis precession, the
71,000-year orbit precession causes a 41,000-year oscillation in the tilt of
the earths axis, about plus or minus 1.3 degrees from its average value of 23.3
degrees. This number is not absolutely stable - it depends on the combined
positions of all the planets through time.

The tilt reached a maximum of 24.2 degrees about 9,500 years ago, and has
been decreasing ever since. The tilt is now near the average value, but the
rate of change of the obliquity is near a maximum.

The most startling consequence of this is that the tropics (the tropics of
Cancer and Capricorn, where the most northerly or southerly vertical rays of
the sun strike) are MOVING TOWARD THE EQUATOR. The rate is more than 14 meters
per year! Example: the government of Taiwan erected a monument in a park
marking the tropic in 1908. The actual tropic is now more than a kilometer
south of this location! The arctic circles are likewise traveling toward their
respective poles. The temperate zones gain 1,550 square kilometers of territory
every year!

Precession Mechanism

Due to the interaction between the Earth and the Moon, the rotation axis of
the Earth is not stationary. The interaction arises because the Moon is not in
the equatorial plane of the Earth; there is a misalignment between the spin
axis of the Earth and the orbital axis of the Moon

In the interaction the Moon tries to force the two axes to coincide. This
force causes the direction in which the rotation axis points to change slowly.
The motion is quite regular; the path on the Celestial Sphere is roughly
circular. The radius of the circle is large, ~ 23.5 degrees (is this a
surprise?). The period of the motion is long, 26,000 years, due to the weakness
of the effect.



Nutation. The principal sources of
Earth's tidal force are the Sun and Moon, which continually change location
relative to each other and thus cause nutation in Earth's axis. The largest
component of Earth's nutation has a period of 18.6 years, the same as that of
the precession of the Moon's orbital nodes.   [ Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutation
]

Influence of precession on position of the Polaris

Since the point where the projection of the rotation axis of the Earth
strikes the Celestial Sphere moves around (the stars are still not in motion),
this means that the North Celestial Pole moves around through the stars. This
produces changes in the coordinates of stars (even though they are not moving).
Today, it is fortuitous that the North star is Polaris. At other times, other
stars were or will be the North star:



 







Periodic Fluctuations in Earth's Orbit About the Sun

The advance and retreat of ice sheets during times of icehouse climate
appears to be strongly influenced by three periodic fluctuations in Earth's
orbit about the sun.

The eccentricity (deviation from a circle) of Earth's elliptical orbital
path around the Sun varies in a cycle of approximately 100,000 years. A
greater amount of eccentricity means that Earth-Sun distance varies
substantially over the course of a year from perihelion (closest approach to
the sun) to aphelion (orbital point farthest from the Sun).

 

The Earth is currently tilted 23.45° from a perpendicular axis to Earth's
orbital plane about the Sun.

The axis is tilted in the same direction throughout a year; however, as the
Earth orbits the Sun, the hemisphere tilted away from the Sun will gradually
come to be tilted towards the Sun, and vice versa. This effect is the main
cause of the seasons. Whichever hemisphere is currently tilted toward the Sun
experiences more hours of sunlight each day, and the sunlight at midday also
strikes the ground at an angle nearer the vertical and thus delivers more heat.

As Earth progresses in its orbit, this axial tilt creates the familiar
seasonal variation (northern winter occurring when the north pole is tilted
away from the Sun).



Summary of the seasons (caused by
the 23.5° tilt of the Earth
axis).

The following images explain why Summer days are longer than nights:







The current amount of tilt is approximately in the middle of the range of
historical tilt values, which vary by a few degrees over a cyclical span of
about 41,000 years. Greater amounts of tilt increase the magnitude of
seasonality (leading to hotter summers and colder winters).

The Earth's axial tilt varies between 21.5° and 24.5° with a 41,000 year
periodicity (currently decreasing: 24.049 in 3300 BC, 23.443 in 1973, 23.439 in
2000), while the direction of the tilt gradually undergoes precession, moving
in a slow circle over a period of about 25,800 years. However, other factors
may change the axial tilt of Earth (and of other planets).

Through time, axial precession changes the position of the Earth in its orbit
at which the seasons occur (precession of the equinoxes).

 

The third and final cyclical change in Earth's orbit (with a
period of about 26,000 years) is precession (sometimes termed the
precession of the equinoxes). The Earth wobbles in its orbit like a spinning
top, so the direction (with respect to the fixed background of stars) in which
the north pole points varies over time. This change in direction also brings a
change in the timing of the onset of the seasons with respect to Earth's
position in its orbital path.

Currently (part A of this figure) the northern summer solstice occurs
near aphelion, and the north pole points toward a star in Ursa Minor named
Polaris (the famous north star).

About ten thousand years ago, the north pole pointed toward the bright
blue star Vega in the constellation Lyra, and the onset of northern summer
occurred near perihelion (part B).



During icehouse conditions, glacial advance is favored by relative warm, wet
(snowy) winters (at very cold temperatures, little snow falls because the air
cannot hold much moisture) and cool summers that minimize glacial melting. Thus
conditions are optimal for glaciation in the Northern Hemisphere when the orbit
is highly eccentric (which is opposite the state of the present orbit, which is
relatively circular), when tilt is at a minimum, and when the northern summer
occurs at aphelion (as in the present) so that the northern summer is moderated
by a great distance between the Earth and Sun. That we are currently in an
interglacial episode suggests that orbital eccentricity is a more important
factor than precession.







Changes in Earth-Sun Interaction - Milankovich Cycles

Milankovich cycles are cycles in the Earth's orbit that influence the
amount of solar radiation striking different parts of the Earth at different
times of year. They are named after a Serbian mathematician, Milutin
Milankovitch, who explained how these orbital cycles cause the advance and
retreat of the polar ice caps. Although they are named after Milankovitch, he
was not the first to link orbital cycles to climate. Adhemar (1842) and Croll
(1875) were two of the earliest.

While we're all familiar with the axis of the earth pointing toward the
North Star (Polaris) at an angle of 23.45° and that the earth is approximately
91-94 million miles from the sun, these facts are not absolute or constant. The
interaction between the earth and sun, known as orbital variation, changes and
has changed throughout the 4.6 billion year history of our planet.

Eccentricity - Orbital shape

Eccentricity is the change in the shape of the earth's orbit around the
sun. Currently, our planet's orbit is almost a perfect circle: the present
eccentricity is 0.017.  There is only a 6% difference in distance between
the time when we're closest to the sun (perihelion) and the time when we're
farthest from the sun (aphelion). Perihelion occurs on January 3 and at that
point, the earth is 91.4 million miles away from the sun. At aphelion, July 4,
the earth is 94.5 million miles from the sun.

Over a 95,000 year cycle, the earth's orbit around the sun changes
from a thin ellipse (oval) to a circle and back again. When the orbit around
the sun is most elliptical, there is as much as a 30% difference in the
distance between the earth and sun at perihelion and aphelion. Though the
current three million mile difference in distance doesn't change the amount of
solar energy we receive much, a 30% difference really would modify the amount
of solar energy received and would make perihelion a much warmer time of the
year than aphelion.

Obliquity - Axial Tilt

On a 42,000 year cycle, the earth wobbles and the angle of the axis,
with respect to the plane of revolution around the sun, varies between 22.1°
and 24.5° . Less of an angle than our current 23.45° means less seasonal
differences between the Northern and Southern Hemispheres while a greater angle
means greater seasonal differences (i.e. a warmer summer and cooler winter).

When the obliquity is low, the polar regions get less sunlight, cool, and
accumulate ice and snow. The total amount of sunlight caught by the earth
remains the same, so it is premature to positively identify obliquity changes
as the root cause of the ice ages.

Precession - Axial Orientation

12,000 years from now the Northern Hemisphere will experience summer in
December and winter in June because the axis of the earth will be pointing at
the star Vega instead of it's current alignment with the North Star or Polaris.
This seasonal reversal won't happen suddenly but the seasons will gradually
shift over thousands of years.

Milankovitch Cycles

Astronomer Milutin Milankovitch developed the mathematical formulas upon
which these orbital variations are based. He hypothesized that when some parts
of the cyclic variations are combined and occur at the same time, they are
responsible for major changes to the earth's climate (even ice ages).
Milankovitch estimated climatic fluctuations over the last 450,000 years and
described cold and warm periods. Though he did his work in the first half of
the 20th century, Milankovich's results weren't proven until the 1970s.

A 1976 study, published in the journal Science examined deep-sea sediment
cores and found that Milankovich's theory corresponded to periods of climate
change. Indeed, ice ages had occurred when the earth was going through
different stages of orbital variation.

Though Milankovitch cycles do explain long-term climate change, they can't
account for changes being made by humans, which appear to have an even greater
effect than variations in earth-sun interaction.

 





Related Links:

http://www.glyphweb.com/esky/default.htm
http://www.answers.com/Polaris
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession
http://www.astronomy.org/programs/seasons/

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovit ... orbit.html
http://www.homepage.montana.edu/~geol44 ... efault.htm 


  http://ijolite.geology.uiuc.edu/02SprgC ... /id11.html
http://www.world-mysteries.com/awr_7..htm

 

 

 

But nature is never perfect. The
Sun rotates at a slight angle (7.25 degrees), much as our Earth does. As it
wobbles, it tilts the sleeves, causing them to clash with eachother and
eventually disrupt the surface. Havine the barycenters of the to most massive
planets, Jupiter and Saturn, in maximum misalignment is especially disruptive.
This disturbance, to put it simply, works its way to the surface and erupts in
sun spots and solar flares or CME's (Coronal Mass Ejections).

The last solar cycle was at its maximum in 2001.
Each active solar cycle has a period when the flares are strongest, usually
happening near the solar equator, called the "solar maximum." This is
significant because the next "solar maximum" event will coincide with
December 21, 2012. But wait -- there's much more!

Sleeves align with the planetary
orbital plane while the Sun tries to maintain concentric regularity. This
irregularity causes surface sunspots where the sleeves intersect the surface.  Solar flares and sun spots have an average
cycle of 11.120412 years (estimated from one "solar maximum" to the
next). Right now, 2007, we are in a relatively quiet part of the cycle. The
small discrepancy between this figure and the 11.861773 year period of Jupiter
is close enough to be significant but suggests that something else is also
influencing solar disturbances. Sure, it could be attributed to the various
positions of the other less massive planets, but it could also be something
even more significant -- the Milky Way.

The Galactic
Alignment of December 21, 2012

Our solar system is part of a huge disc shaped
collection of stars and planets called the Milky Way. We're located somewhere
on the edge of the disc, slightly on top of the narrow disc. But very soon we'll
be moving to the bottom of the disc. This change, from top to bottom, begins on
December 21, 2012.

Yes, that's right. On the same day when our Sun is at it's solar maximum,
something will happen that's never happened before -- the ecliptic of our solar
system will intersect with the Galactic plane, called the "Galactic
Equator" of the Milky Way! [see star chart].

Prior to December 2012 we have been drifting on the top of
the pizza, never really able to see the bottom. The plate and pizza are not
parallel. They are moving at different angles. We've been drifting down, down,
down... and on December 21st, 2012, we will be exactly level with the crust --
forming an "x" at the Galactic Equator where galactic gravity is the
strongest. After 2012, if we are still here, we will be passing through the
bottom zone, viewing the Milky Way pizza from the South.



 

By some amazing coincidence, not only will we be
intersecting with the Galactic Equator, but we will be doing this precisely
aligned with the center of the Galaxy where there is maximum mass! More mass
means more gravity. More gravity means more influence from those barycenters in
our Sun. That means exponential increases in solar disruptions -- all
coinciding on the same day! gravitational effects of the Galaxy have already
started to assert their influence on the Sun. The drift towards alignment with
the galactic equator is relatively slow and, in truth, has already started. But
the precise culmination of this, plus the alignment of Jupiter and Saturn all
make 12/21/12 an onimous date. This alignment
occurs as a result of the precession of the equinoxes. Precession is caused by
the earth wobbling very slowly on its axis and shifts the position of the
equinoxes and solstices one degree every 71.5 years. Because the sun is
one-half of a degree wide, it will take the December solstice sun 36 years to
precess through the Galactic equator (see diagram below). This Galactic
Alignment occurs only once every 26,000 years, and was what the ancient Maya
were pointing to with the 2012 end-date of their Long Count calendar. Position
A is where the December solstice sun was in relation to the Milky Way some
3,000 years ago. Position B is 1,500 years ago. And position C is
"era-2012", when the December solstice sun has converged, as a result
of the precession of the equinoxes, with the exact center-line of the Milky Way
(the Galactic equator). Notice that the place of alignment is where the
'nuclear bulge' of the Galactic
Center is located.



The first frame of the Holy Cross Movie shows Earth at its
current precessional position--with Earth's "North Celestial Pole"
(NCP) residing over 5° sidereal Gemini and the "Vernal Point" (VP)
lying at 5° sidereal Pisces. (The vernal point is always 90°
west of the NCP.) This position of Earth's pole creates the current
erect cross as seen in the ecliptic plane--with the MOVING vernal axis lying
perpendicular to the FIXED galactic equatorial axis. The intersection of
Earth's celestial equator (the green disc) with the ecliptic plane (the blue
disc) creates the MOVING vernal axis. The intersection of the ecliptic plane
(the blue disc) with the galaxy's equatorial plane (the violet disc) creates
the FIXED galactic equatorial axis--lying at 5° sidereal Sagittarius / Gemini.)
Five degrees sidereal Sag, the north galactic node, is called the "Gate of
God." The opposite south node, at 5° sidereal Gemini, is called the
"Gate of Man." The westward precessional movement of Earth's pole causes
the vernal axis to precess around the ecliptic as well--creating the
"Cycle of the Holy Cross"--the timepiece governing the evolutionary
unfoldment of human consciousness. One complete cycle takes about 25,000 Earth
years. To learn more about Earth's precession and the relationship between the
sidereal and tropical zodiaks, please see the Sidereal
Astrology web page.

As Earth's pole moves another 90° through the cycle, the NCP will reside
over 5° sidereal Pisces and the VP will lie at 5°sidereal Sagittarius. This
orientation of Earth's NCP, and its location in the heavens, I dub the
"Primordial Origin." This polar position marks the natural beginning
and ending of the precessional cycle for several reasons. Notice that at this
time Earth's pole lies most parallel to the galactic plane (to the violet
disc). Thus, Earth's pole (the backbone governing Earth's evolutionary
unfoldment) lies submersed in and is imbued with Galactic Light--unified within
the plane of galactic awareness. Primordial Origin lies at the most northern
point along the galactic plane. In addition, the vernal axis lies at rest upon
the galactic equatorial axis, with the Vernal Point residing at 5° sidereal Sagittarius--upon
the primary galactic node, upon the "Gate of God." This is the
galactic node closest to the Heart Center of our Galaxy, the primary reference
for the sidereal zodiak--making the obvious zero-point reference on the
ecliptic plane for the Holy Cross cycle. (Galactic Center
lies in a direction just south of the Gate of God along the galactic
equator--not shown.)

Thus, 5° sidereal Pisces marks the primordial watery essence of our
evolutionary unfoldment, and this is why, as the vernal point currently lies
under the auspices of the Primordial Origin, we are asked to re-integtrate our
temporal experience with our high-vibrational spiritual primordial origins---to
reintegrate the spiritual and the physical.

Astrologically, the vernal point's location (the
point of the sun / son / sol / soul) in the sidereal zodiak reveals the
experiential nature for incarnating soul, where as the location of the NCP (the
Godhead) reveals the overseeing and directing theme for the incarnating soul.

From the beginning of the precessional cycle, as the NCP moves from its
primordial position at 5° Pisces, Earth's pole lifts itself from its slumber in
the plane of galactic light, as the precessional cycle begins to sound (move
around) in harmonic unfoldment from the one originating primordial tone.

When the pole precesses 90° from the Primordial Origin, it
resides over the Gate of God at 5° sidereal Sagittarius. At this time humanity
experiences the FIRST erect cross in the cycle as the vernal point arrives to
5° sidereal Virgo--with the moving vernal axis lying exactly perpendicular to
the fixed galactic axis. At this crossing (as the NCP crosses the Gate of God)
Earth's pole begins to lean away from the plane of galactic light, beginning a
12,000 year period of temporal darkness. Here, incarnating souls fall from the
awareness of their divine (undivided) nature and are now on their own to
evolve. This precessional tilt of Earth's pole is called "the fall"
for humankind. In our current precessional cycle, the fall occurred about
12,000 years ago--around the time of the Great Flood.

As Earth's pole continues to precess, and comes to the 180° point in the
precessional cycle, it resides over 5° Virgo (the ecliptical longitude opposite
the Primordial Origin). At this time the vernal point lies at 5° sidereal
Gemini--on the Gate of Man--and the two axes are once again lying upon one
another, but now in reversed polarity. This is the epitome of separation, of
darkness, with the pole tilting furthest away from the plane of galactic light.
This is the midway point through the temporal period of darkness. This occurred
about 6000 years ago. The entire temporal period (from when the NCP lies over
the Gate of God to when it lies over the Gate of Man) is a time when
incarnating souls are divided from galactic awareness--in the image of Source,
seeing only the reflective shadow of their divine selves.

As the pole continues to precess to the 270°point in the cycle, residing
over 5° sidereal Gemini, over the Gate of Man, the vernal point moves to 5°
sidereal Pisces erecting the SECOND Holy Cross in the Great World Cycle--the
cross occurring now, circa 2000 A.D. Earth's pole now begins to lean back
toward the plane of galactic light marking our return from the last 12,000
period of apparent separation lost in the reflections of temporal darkness and
back into the galactic light of Divine Awareness. Just as the first cross, the
cross of the crucifixion of the soul, marked "the fall," this second
cross, the cross of the resurrection of the soul, opens the portal for our
return journey home, for our re-integration.

 

 

Since the year 2000
our planet has experienced 5 major- once in a lifetime (or lifetimes for
some of us) transits of transformation - any one of which acting
alone, would be enough to create a massive shift of consciousness for those of
us here on Earth. They are, in order, the following:

In 2000 our Sun returned to the sunny-side of the
Universe after an absence of 3,500 years beginning the activation of our
DNA. On August 27, 2003 Mars, in the course of its’
orbit, moved closer to the Earth than it had been for 60,000 years - a
rare astrological event that will not occur again for 73,000 years -
highlighting actions of aggression in our lives and on the planet. The Iraq war
began this year. On June 8, 2004 we began the first Venus Passage of
this millenium, also called a Venus transit, heralding the
activation/return of Divine Feminine consciousness onto the planet. On June 16th 2006 Pluto (the now dwarf planet of
death and transformation) entered Sidereal Sagittarius for the first time
in known history. The position of Sagittarius in space is the home of the Galactic Center or the opening to the core
of the Universe. This celestial position is also called The Gate of God
and as Pluto aligns with it, it heralds the beginning of a transformation
in our relationship to Divine Consciousness.

Pluto will align with
the core of the Universe – The Gate of God - 4 times -December 29th 2006,
July 17th2007 and October 27th 2007and Dec 20, 2007 (the
last date will be the most powerful). As Pluto aligns with the Galactic Center it will act as a lens thru which
the energies of the Universe are powerfully channeled onto Earth activating the
Plutonian attribute of transformation.

On June 20th, 2008 our Sun
will enter the celestial position called "The Gate of Man" and the
Earth will move into direct alignment with the Gate of God. At this momentous time, our planet will experience the
blessing of a shaft of light from the core of the Universe - the Throne of God
– shining directly upon us and attuning us to the higher frequencies of light
consciousness or Divine Oneness.

 

I have been given the
information that this movement into alignment with The Gate of God on June
20, 2008 marks the passage of our Solar System into the auric field of the
Mayans’ World of the 5th Sun – our next dimension of
time/consciousness –which occurs on Dec 21, 2012. This next dimension in
time resonates to the frequency of Divine Oneness consciousness. Linking
together with others of like minds and unified intent, we have the opportunity
on this date to prepare or position our planet and all her beings to enter our
new field of soul consciousness smoothly and most effectively. ON July 17, 2007
we fired the grid - OR CHANGED COURSE – to better position us to receive the
coming blessing of light. n the Winter Equinox of 2012, the solar
meridian, the midpoint of our Sun, will cross the galactic equator and our
Earth will align itself with the heart of the Galaxy. This event heralds our
transition to a new era or dimension, one that the Mayans call the World of the
5th Sun. A time they say, that peace will reign and we will live in harmony
with Mother Earth. This is an ancient prophecy – it is the time of “The
Awakening”. It is your wake-up call.

We can chart the course of our future and arrive
safely at the gates of the World of the 5th Sun by utilizing the power of group
mind and focused intent. We must now consciously and together, access the power
of the loving presence within us and reclaim our birthright of limitless
abundance for all beings.

Embrace the trinity of lights with in you and
acknowledge its presence radiating within. Enter this gateway thru your heart.
Allow your journey to begin with thoughts of limitless Love and Abundance and
it will end with your transformation into a Worker of the Light.

Welcome…..to the time of “The Awakening”

 

The ecliptic: The path followed by the sun, moon, and planets. It is
the plane of our solar system. The ecliptic encircles the earth and is divided
into twelve constellations, or zodiac signs.

The Milky Way: The bright band of star that our solar system belongs to.
It encircles the earth and is wider in the region of Sagittarius because that
is where the 'nucelar bulge" of the Milky Way's center is located (our
Milky Way is saucer shaped).

The Galactic equator: The precise mid-line
running down the Milky Way. Analogous to the earth's equator, it divides the
galaxy into two hemispheres, or lobes.

The Dark Rift in the Milky Way: A feature caused by interstellar dust that runs along
the Milky Way from the Galactic Center northward past the constellation of Aquila.

The December solstice sun:
The sun, on the December solstice. It is one-half
of a degree wide.

The December solstice point:
The precise midpoint of the sun, on the December
solstice.

The Precession of the equinoxes:
The earth wobbles very slowly on its axis and this
causes the position of the equinox to shift backwards, or precess, through the
signs of the ecliptic at the rate of one degree every 71.5 years. The full
precessional wobble is complete in roughly 25,800 years.

The vernal equinox point is defined by the intersection of the ecliptic and the
celestial equator.

The Celestial Equator: The earth's equator projected into the stars. It is the
plane of the earth's rotation.

The Cross formed by the Milky Way and the
ecliptic: Exactly as stated.
There are two of these, one in early Sagittarius, the other in early Gemini.
The former cross has the virtue of being located within the nuclear bulge of
the Galactic Center.

The nuclear bulge / the Galactic Center:
A bright and wide region of the Milky Way, visible
to the naked eye and between Sagittarius and Scorpio. The more precise and
abstract center-point of the nuclear bulge is the precise Galactic Center,
located at about 6 degrees Sagittarius (sidereal) and 27 degrees in the
tropical zodiac.

 

The above is compiled info from websites. This is my work. I am corresponding to astrologists working on a model that allows me to place planets and galaxies in specific positions in relation to year..time frame. What I am trying to find is that there are two planets in our solar system that NO ONE speaks about. Well next to no one as they are hardly seen. However, I believe that one of them is the 'Star' that comes into view when Jesus the Messiah, The Sword, was born and again when he died. I also believe it is the same 'star' that will be present as he prophesied during the Apocalypse. I was trying to find what points needed to coincide with what planets to have this happen. I think Gate of Man means more than One Gate. More like  Pathway. As gate you have entrance and exit...it is a two way point that allows passage. I think this Star is one as Jesus called himself the Son of Man not Son of God, so that would mean the star is one point or possible
the device that carries 'God'. Now bear with me hear...when I tell people God sends messages they then think that the Angel or the message is the form of God. What if, there is a superior being that impregnated the Virgin Mary its form is known as the Holy Ghost, people call it God. So then they think it is God and takes away from everything that God really is. However those of enlightenment would not care bc they would see that God is everything so they do not correct it. They too say God in reference to things of nature, instruments of communication etc, but people who 'do not have ears' do not listen to the true meaning. I am not sure if our consciousness would then be the next pathway. I think however from reading the Tora, Quran, and Bible (new and old testaments) that those who followed the 'star' and heard the messages the 'star' gave found their way to the Messiah. Now some people believe that the 'star' was a space craft of some sorts. That
again could be a possibility as in perhaps the alignment creates a 'tube' or pathway that allows travel from one point to another. These are known in as warp holes. What people think are black holes. Guess what black hole comes into alignment with our galaxy and planet on December of 2012? Yeah so its a theory I am just not sure of the evidence so I am still making the program. It is a pain to say the least to calculate each step as I am not a Mathmetacian nor a Physicist. I have friends helping though. I am trying to find which planets will be where...not just what comes into alignment but the shape. They make a Cross. Circling the Cross design to be specific. This is the third book I am writing. I was researching info about all this to find what 'facts' would support the theory. The more I research the more corruption and conspiracy I find. It seems a truth was buried deep in legend, smothered with myth and wrapped up tightly in conspiracy so that way
when anyone found that truth it would not be believable but a mere fiction..
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Re: 2012 precessions

Postby truly suave craven on Thu Nov 26, 2009 6:05 pm

I scrolled through that post and now i'm exited to sort through it and get some work of my own done :)
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Re: 2012 precessions

Postby ozziegem on Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:54 pm

Great as there is so much more work to be done ....check out this link ..as an interesting aside ...
skseymourhedke8143 scribed ...tried to paste the link ...would not let me .
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